Comments on: J-Head MK-IV Hot End Clone Design Quick Review http://airtripper.com/1236/j-head-mk-iv-hot-end-clone-design-quick-review/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=j-head-mk-iv-hot-end-clone-design-quick-review 3D Printer usage and modifications plus Arduino powered electronic projects and 3D Printing designs. Sun, 08 Jun 2014 11:30:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.3 By: Timhttp://airtripper.com/1236/j-head-mk-iv-hot-end-clone-design-quick-review/#comment-493 Tue, 03 Sep 2013 02:13:15 +0000 http://airtripper.com/?p=1236#comment-493 I am definitely without a a working printer currently. I just recently backed a delta printer on kickstarter, but I won’t get mine until December at the earliest (boo). I appreciate the offer for your bracket, and I might take you up on it.

The folks at SUMPOD are sending me one of their newer hotends, but this will be the second one they shipped me (the first one never showed up). Hopefully it’ll arrive and I’ll be able to at least get it running, if only to print out some upgrades like a new extruder and hotend brackets.

If you could email me the files (or make them available somewhere) for the bracket I’d appreciate it. If I can’t get to the point that I can print them myself, I’ll let you know. Thanks again!

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By: Mark Heywoodhttp://airtripper.com/1236/j-head-mk-iv-hot-end-clone-design-quick-review/#comment-489 Sun, 01 Sep 2013 22:29:23 +0000 http://airtripper.com/?p=1236#comment-489 Hi Tim,

Some parts did spoil the Sumpod, the extruder just was not up to the job. I’ve printed about 6kg of plastic so far with the updates I’ve made and the printer is still going strong. I plan to change the X and Y carriages for much lighter versions for faster and better quality printing.

I can send the files for the J-head bracket but I guess you will have difficulty printing your own without access to a working printer. The bracket is untested but as long as the bowden cable is long enough not to pull on the fitting it should work fine.

If it will help you out, I can mail you the bracket I’ve printed to get you started.

Mark

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By: Timhttp://airtripper.com/1236/j-head-mk-iv-hot-end-clone-design-quick-review/#comment-487 Sun, 01 Sep 2013 05:24:33 +0000 http://airtripper.com/?p=1236#comment-487 Hey Mark – I’m getting back into the 3D printing scene after dropping out of it for a while after buying a SUMPOD around the same time you did. I never got mine running unfortunately. I’m considering picking up a J-Head to replace the stock hot end on my printer that gave me nothing but problems. The bracket that you have your mkiv clone installed on – is that available somewhere?

Thanks for all the info you put up here, it’s very helpful!

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By: Kevin Griffithhttp://airtripper.com/1236/j-head-mk-iv-hot-end-clone-design-quick-review/#comment-248 Tue, 12 Mar 2013 21:41:22 +0000 http://airtripper.com/?p=1236#comment-248 Thanks for fielding the question, and the suggestions. It turns out I was looking in the wrong place – the firmware was fine, but I had made a simple wiring mistake… good thing I didn’t ruin the board (yet)!

As expected, I ran into issues extruding after trying to convert to 1.75mm using PTFE tubing. Still working on it, but having the dimensions properly machined would (of course) be the best solution. We’ll see if I can make do on my limited budget.

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By: Mark Heywoodhttp://airtripper.com/1236/j-head-mk-iv-hot-end-clone-design-quick-review/#comment-244 Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:49:51 +0000 http://airtripper.com/?p=1236#comment-244 Hi Kevin,

Personally I would not use thermistors that has not been properly identified by the supplier as with the case on my J-Head purchase. I think the recommendations that hotends.com makes is based on the kit that they supply and test.
To make sure you get the temperature reading as expected it is best source your own thermistors that match those in the firmware configuration list. The following link is a type I use and I believe hotends.com has just started recommending the same:
http://www.rapidonline.com/Electronic-Components/GT-THERMISTOR-100K-3-61-0452

#define TEMP_SENSOR_0 1 should be enough to get your hot end heating up as long as you are getting an ambient reading from the thermistor.

I’m not familiar with the board you are using but defining TEMP_SENSOR_0 1 should enable extruder heater 0. One common error to check for is the power input cable; making sure it’s connected to the correct power input socket.

There is not really a lot to do to get the heaters going on the extruder and the heated bed, It’s just a case of good wiring connections and setting thermistors in firmware and of course choosing the correct motherboard configuration.

It will be interesting to see how you do with the MK-IVB.

Good luck with your first printer,

Mark

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By: Kevin Griffithhttp://airtripper.com/1236/j-head-mk-iv-hot-end-clone-design-quick-review/#comment-242 Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:50:05 +0000 http://airtripper.com/?p=1236#comment-242 Thanks Mark, I appreciate the article.

I bought an MK-IVB a while ago and am now installing it in my first printer. It is machined for a 3mm filament, but I also tried converting it to use 1.75mm with some PTFE tubing… I’ll let you know how reliable I find that to be.

One question regarding the hot end: I thought I fully installed the resistor into the board (RAMBo) properly, but when I try heating it up the hot end just remains at room temperature. With the MK-IV, are we supposed to declare thermal settings differently in Marlin, or keep it like:
#define TEMP_SENSOR_0 1
as the hotends website suggests?

Any help would be much appreciated!

Kevin

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By: Octavian Tudorahttp://airtripper.com/1236/j-head-mk-iv-hot-end-clone-design-quick-review/#comment-218 Thu, 28 Feb 2013 22:51:48 +0000 http://airtripper.com/?p=1236#comment-218 Aluminum have twice better thermal conductivity then brass:
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermal-conductivity-d_429.html
and aluminum has smaller density then brass.This mean that aluminum is much better for hot-ends.The clones can be better then originals with respect to the materials.
Then 0.5 mm or 0.4 mm I cannot see big difference. you are lucky because your hot-end did not brake as my from a EBAY a polish cloner PTFE cold-ended one did break. Thats because of the PTFE is bad for ABS it deform and finally breaks. I have now a new J-Head MK-IV Hot End Clone from the same mentioned Ebay (snipermand) person. It looks very small. and 40W power heater at 12v is very good if compare with the original resistor 5.6 ohms 25.7 W@12V or 6.8 Ohms 21.17W@12V. I hope that this will not break.
this is from the
https://www.hotends.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=88

Internally, the filament path is identical to that of an already proven design.
The design is simple as the number of custom machined parts is kept to a minimum.
If necessary (and for 3mm hot-ends only), the PTFE liner can be replaced by using an off-the-shelf piece of PTFE tubing.
The PTFE is not stressed nor used to provide support. This reduces a point of failure that is part of other designs.
A resistor is used as a heater. There is no need to wrap nichrome wire or to bake a heater core.
Heat transmission is improved as there is no thermal junction where a separate heater screws onto the nozzle.

Included

Assembled J Head MK V-BV Hot-End.
Power Resistor, 5.6 ohm or 6.8 ohm (depending upon availability)
Thermistor, 100k, 3%
PTFE Insulation for the resistor and thermistor

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By: Mark Heywoodhttp://airtripper.com/1236/j-head-mk-iv-hot-end-clone-design-quick-review/#comment-185 Mon, 04 Feb 2013 02:06:07 +0000 http://airtripper.com/?p=1236#comment-185 Unlike the J-Head clones, your version from hotends.com will be properly engineered for 1.75mm filament.

I had already got the QU-BD MBE extruder before discovering the bad reports being made against it. As far as I know, it just fails on PLA extrusion. I believe the extruder works fine with ABS filament.

The MBE extruder hot end is nicely engineered and I think it would have worked better with PLA filament if the nozzle tube was polished on the inside like the Prusa’s new all metal hot end.

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By: John Dhttp://airtripper.com/1236/j-head-mk-iv-hot-end-clone-design-quick-review/#comment-184 Mon, 04 Feb 2013 00:54:57 +0000 http://airtripper.com/?p=1236#comment-184 You experience with snipermind is about on par with mine – these are Chinese clones, and are not very well made or machined. The first one I received the PEEK tube had numerous mis-starts on the drilled holes, and had been milled inaccurately. Mine also had an extra “cooling” cut, as it appears yours does as well.

There is also no retention ring at the top to retain the PTFE liner. To be fair to snipermind, he did replace the PEEK tube, and I did keep the hotend – it’s sitting around if everything else breaks.

I ended up stateside, so picked up a 3mm and a 1.75mm version from Brian @ hotends.com. As usual and as expected, the quality is stunning. I just wish I’d picked up two of the 1.75′s – I want to play with dual extrusion!

FYI – Not sure if you’ve tested one, but the QU-BD extruder is not very reliable and I don’t recommend it at all. That said, a couple of folks have identified a couple of the problems, and it looks like you can at least use it as a decent extruder. Nothing short of replacement will fix the cone slope on the orifice, however, so if you ever crash it into your bed it’s done..

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By: Mark Heywoodhttp://airtripper.com/1236/j-head-mk-iv-hot-end-clone-design-quick-review/#comment-180 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 01:01:35 +0000 http://airtripper.com/?p=1236#comment-180 I’m still using the V9 clone and is working a lot better now I’m using the MK drive gear pulley. The bowden cable set up is working great and I don’t feel it’s a disadvantage in view of the print results I’m getting now. My print speed is about 30mm/s and 60mm/s travel with 0.8mm retraction.

I think when selecting a hot end, it might be a good idea to get the opinions from those on the RepRap Forums before buying. I’ve noticed that some of the long experienced experts are still sticking to 3mm filament; I think the hot ends are more reliable for this size.

I’ll be doing a review of the MBE extruder after more tests. The reason I’ve had problems with it is that it does not prevent PLA from swelling in side the tube. The PLA filament jams quickly after being stood for a few seconds.

Mark

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