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DaniK
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Post some more polargraph-ARTefacts
on: June 27, 2016, 15:40
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my loyal little polargraph turned out some more interesting artefacts...
I guess this is again a kind of follow up of:

http://www.polargraph.co.uk/forum/polargraphs-group2/troubleshooting-forum5/saw-tooth-circle-and-dubious-text-thread395/
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http://www.polargraph.co.uk/forum/polargraphs-group2/troubleshooting-forum5/svg-differences-between-polargraphcontroller-2-1-1-2-3-0-thread523/

mysterious [...]6 1 6 6 1 6 1 6 6 1 6 7 6 7 6 7 6 7 6 7 [...] pattern 😎
i am not sure if the quad and circle patterns I drew also had these column splits...and simply weren't visible as each circle or quad had a different size.....
anyone any idea how to even these gaps out...?
it seems that on the left half of the canvas i get the 6 1 6 6 1 6 6 1 pattern and on the right half the 6 7 6 7 6 7.....
i mean, it's very interesting and I don't mind the pattern...it's just weird that it is not consistent....

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Finished Drawing
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Close up (I (again) love that the lines are not straight 🙂
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DaniK
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Post Re: some more polargraph-ARTefacts
on: June 28, 2016, 09:51
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with the slight danger of seeming like a super-geek now.....I am just trying to understand....

i did some calculations of the polargraphs resolution (reach).....and generated all points reachable (BLACK) with the standard settings (95mm per rev) and a resolution of only 200 Steps per rev... (0.475 mm per step)
versus a standard XY cartesian grid with the same resolution (GREY) and overlayed it with the CMYK lines i was drawing.....

given the fact that I also use microsteps (step multiplier 8 = 7 more points inbetween all the now existing points) I totally don't get why the lines are going up and down...as a resolution of 0.059375 mm per microstep is very high....and it doesn't look like that at all.

I love the "inaccuracy" of the polargraph...I simply don't get it why it is there 😎

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sandy
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Post Re: some more polargraph-ARTefacts
on: June 28, 2016, 10:41
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You shouldn't discount the idea that there's just some dumb rounding errors in the code, either in the controller or in the firmware - very possible, and it's only these kinds of larger-scale fields of regular marks that show it off.

There's definitely a mechanical "rounding error" to do with the slight mismatch between the pitch of the beaded cord and the circumference of the sprocket, you can see it in the dark hat brim on this norwegian pixel drawing:

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Where there's a couple of thin gaps concentric with the left-hand-sprocket.

I don't know how to explain it properly, but I think the cord around the sprockets is slightly loose, so it's held in place by the beads in the teeth, but once it leaves the sprocket it gets stretched out a tiny bit more. Overall, one turn of the sprocket does give out the accurate length of cord, but it's distribution isn't completely even. It's extension per step isn't always equal, and it leads to the pattern of the teeth leaving an imprint in the marks on the paper.
That's one idea.

The other thing is that although the machine uses microsteps, if you're using stepMultiplier=8 (and stepsPerRev=200) then it only uses them internally, in order to make for smooth movement. The start and end points are still quantised to the coarser, non-microstepped grid. You could change to stepMultipler=1 and stepsPerRev=1600 to get the true addressable points available. But there will be artefacts that come from the imprecision of microstepping too 🙂

This is brilliant piece of diagnostic work DaniK, and I love the visualisations - a great way to see the quantisation effects.

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dickholmer
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Post Re: some more polargraph-ARTefacts
on: June 28, 2016, 11:56
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awesome...i love this multi color stuff. it is surely so time intensive. I wish I had the time and motivation. I am sure my steppers are starting to get rusty right now 🙂
one Thing regarding sandy Explanation: i dont use Cords but belts and there are the same missalignments. so i do think that it is 100% software related.

cheers, great work!

thomas

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